I'm all for freedom of religion. Until it becomes bullying.
First off, the Muslim society KNEW there was a pig farm next door. They still bought the land. Then a week later they were 'suggesting' that the farmer sell his land and move!!??! They deserve the pig races.
Freedom of religion is a gift AND a reponsibility.
Best part was the newsroom guys 'cracking up'.
Dan Emplit WBFD
WHY?
Friday, December 30, 2011
Wednesday, December 28, 2011
I am flypaper for freaks and morons
From the comment box:
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "SHTF Ammo":
Scenarios where having a gun would be advantageous are rare to the point of being virtually non-existent. Most people who are threatened with deadly force are in a situation of their own choosing, in a place where reasonable persons rarely find themselves. No one is going to break into your house and try and rob you. Yeah, it happens but you're more likely to get hit by lightning. Keep your guns if they make you feel safer but better advice would be: don't hang out in places where people carry guns and don't deal or buy drugs. Follow that advice and you'll be fine.
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OK first off, that post was for if the SHTF ($hit hits the fan).
Next, Just to make sure I understand, You said ,"Most people who are threatened with deadly force are in a situation of their own choosing". So by your reasoning, the THREE delivery persons held up THIS WEEK at Sherman Hills were at fault. Not the dirtbags that robbed them.
And the workers at the nail salon on Main Street, who were WORKING, are not "reasonable persons".
Oh and, "No one is going to break into your house and try and rob you.". Really?
Scammers posing as PPL workers
Woman claims she was robbed at gunpoint
Alleged burglar caught in act in W-B
And that is just one street here in Wilkes-Barre. In a THREE WEEK PERIOD.
Oh and read these,
I don't understand Sheeple
Man Thwarts Attack from Black Teen Mob
Let me explain reality to you. If a predator can't find prey where they are at, they go somewhere else. And that somewhere else may be where you are at.
It's time to take off your rose colored glasses. Some people, like me, believe it is better to have and not need than to need and not have when it comes to life and safety.
And when you get over your 'butthurt', realize that "don't hang out in places where people carry guns" means 'don't go anywhere where there may be people'. Reponsible conceiled carry people get permits to do so. Criminals DO NOT.
Don't go on an obviously pro-carry website with your anti beliefs and not expect a spanking. If you don't want to carry, then DON'T.
Moron.
Dan Emplit WBFD
USN 1986 - 1992
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "SHTF Ammo":
Scenarios where having a gun would be advantageous are rare to the point of being virtually non-existent. Most people who are threatened with deadly force are in a situation of their own choosing, in a place where reasonable persons rarely find themselves. No one is going to break into your house and try and rob you. Yeah, it happens but you're more likely to get hit by lightning. Keep your guns if they make you feel safer but better advice would be: don't hang out in places where people carry guns and don't deal or buy drugs. Follow that advice and you'll be fine.
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OK first off, that post was for if the SHTF ($hit hits the fan).
Next, Just to make sure I understand, You said ,"Most people who are threatened with deadly force are in a situation of their own choosing". So by your reasoning, the THREE delivery persons held up THIS WEEK at Sherman Hills were at fault. Not the dirtbags that robbed them.
And the workers at the nail salon on Main Street, who were WORKING, are not "reasonable persons".
Oh and, "No one is going to break into your house and try and rob you.". Really?
Scammers posing as PPL workers
Woman claims she was robbed at gunpoint
Alleged burglar caught in act in W-B
And that is just one street here in Wilkes-Barre. In a THREE WEEK PERIOD.
Oh and read these,
I don't understand Sheeple
Man Thwarts Attack from Black Teen Mob
Let me explain reality to you. If a predator can't find prey where they are at, they go somewhere else. And that somewhere else may be where you are at.
It's time to take off your rose colored glasses. Some people, like me, believe it is better to have and not need than to need and not have when it comes to life and safety.
And when you get over your 'butthurt', realize that "don't hang out in places where people carry guns" means 'don't go anywhere where there may be people'. Reponsible conceiled carry people get permits to do so. Criminals DO NOT.
Don't go on an obviously pro-carry website with your anti beliefs and not expect a spanking. If you don't want to carry, then DON'T.
Moron.
Dan Emplit WBFD
USN 1986 - 1992
Monday, December 26, 2011
SHTF Ammo
The other day I was involved in a firearms discussion. A kid barely over 21 was basically asking, "What caliber of handgun would be the best in a SHTF ($hit hits the fan) scenario?". He was getting BAD advise from his friend. REALLY BAD.
I'd like to point out some of the bad choices.
The Taurus Judge.
A five shot revolver chambered for the .410 shotgun shell as well as the .45 Long Colt (this is NOT the .45 that our modern military used).
My opinion;
Pro's: None
Con's: If you want a .45 Long Colt there are better choices. If you want a .410 shotgun, buy a .410 shot gun. 'The Terminator' couldn't carry this monster without Stevie Wonder knowing. This gun is NOT an effective weapon, it is an over-hyped range toy IMHO.
The Desert Eagle in .50 AE
A semi-automatic pistol made by Israel Military Industries designed (mainly) to fire Magnum revolver cartridges like the .357 magnum (9 rounds) and .44 magnum (8 rounds). Add to this the .50 AE (7 rounds) which is one of the most powerful pistol cartridges in production.
My opinion;
Pro's: The .357 and .44 magnum are somewhat common. Tends to be accurate, but no better than a good revolver.
Con's: I owned a Desert Eagle (Nicknamed a 'DEagle'). It jammed as often as it worked. Not something I would depend on. BTW, unlike a revolver it cannot fire the .38 special or .44 special. The .50 AE is VERY rare. This is another range toy. Add to this, it is HUGE and HEAVY. There are reasons the Israeli military does not carry it.
The Smith & Wesson Model 500
Pro's: None (I guess it would be handy if attacked by dinosaurs)
Con's: TOO powerful. It will make a .50 caliber hole through some one.... and the wall behind them.... and your neighbors wall.... and your neighbor..... and the wall behind them...... and so on...... and you only get 5 wrist SNAPPING shots. Another range toy.
In a SHTF scenario, you need to think about resupply. WHERE the hell do you think you are going to find .45 Long Colt, .50 AE, or .500 S&W magnum? The local stores are closed. Your supply is finite. And what about the disposable accessories? Like magazines or speed loaders? Not to mention repairs or spare parts.
If you want a SHTF weapon, look at what the military and police in your area are carrying for calibers and then look even closer at their choices.
Like, The PSP carries the .45 GAP, this would be a poor choice of caliber. The .45 GAP is a cartridge that equals the power of the .45 ACP but is shorter to fit in a more compact handgun.
If YOU NEED a .45, stick with the MUCH more common (and MUCH less expensive) .45 ACP. And use the savings to shoot more or get training.
The US Military uses the 9MM. I've read that the 9MM is the second most produced round in the world (beaten only by the .22LR). This make it RELATIVELY cheap. That alone would make it a good choice, because you can use the savings to shoot more or get training.
And for people that think reloading will take away the resupply problem, Think again. The components are also a finite supply. IE, the .500 S&W magnum takes several TIMES the powder to reload than a .45 ACP or a 9MM.
The calibers that he should be looking at, IMO, are:
9MM, .45 ACP, .40 S&W and in revolvers (If he demands something that only holds 5 or 6 rounds) .357 magnum (.357's can also fire the .38 special).
Why? They are common. Common means less expensive. Less expensive means you can shoot more. An example, the cheapest .50 AE I found at Midway is like $1.25 a round.
9MM about 24 cents a round. 45 ACP is less than 30 cents a round. When you shoot several HUNDRED to several THOUSAND rounds a year. That adds up.
As for handguns themselves, look for what people teaching the classes carry. You will find Glocks and Smith & Wesson M&Ps are the most common.
And these are just the handgun suggestions.
Dan Emplit WBFD
I'd like to point out some of the bad choices.
The Taurus Judge.
A five shot revolver chambered for the .410 shotgun shell as well as the .45 Long Colt (this is NOT the .45 that our modern military used).
My opinion;
Pro's: None
Con's: If you want a .45 Long Colt there are better choices. If you want a .410 shotgun, buy a .410 shot gun. 'The Terminator' couldn't carry this monster without Stevie Wonder knowing. This gun is NOT an effective weapon, it is an over-hyped range toy IMHO.
The Desert Eagle in .50 AE
A semi-automatic pistol made by Israel Military Industries designed (mainly) to fire Magnum revolver cartridges like the .357 magnum (9 rounds) and .44 magnum (8 rounds). Add to this the .50 AE (7 rounds) which is one of the most powerful pistol cartridges in production.
My opinion;
Pro's: The .357 and .44 magnum are somewhat common. Tends to be accurate, but no better than a good revolver.
Con's: I owned a Desert Eagle (Nicknamed a 'DEagle'). It jammed as often as it worked. Not something I would depend on. BTW, unlike a revolver it cannot fire the .38 special or .44 special. The .50 AE is VERY rare. This is another range toy. Add to this, it is HUGE and HEAVY. There are reasons the Israeli military does not carry it.
The Smith & Wesson Model 500
Pro's: None (I guess it would be handy if attacked by dinosaurs)
Con's: TOO powerful. It will make a .50 caliber hole through some one.... and the wall behind them.... and your neighbors wall.... and your neighbor..... and the wall behind them...... and so on...... and you only get 5 wrist SNAPPING shots. Another range toy.
In a SHTF scenario, you need to think about resupply. WHERE the hell do you think you are going to find .45 Long Colt, .50 AE, or .500 S&W magnum? The local stores are closed. Your supply is finite. And what about the disposable accessories? Like magazines or speed loaders? Not to mention repairs or spare parts.
If you want a SHTF weapon, look at what the military and police in your area are carrying for calibers and then look even closer at their choices.
Like, The PSP carries the .45 GAP, this would be a poor choice of caliber. The .45 GAP is a cartridge that equals the power of the .45 ACP but is shorter to fit in a more compact handgun.
If YOU NEED a .45, stick with the MUCH more common (and MUCH less expensive) .45 ACP. And use the savings to shoot more or get training.
The US Military uses the 9MM. I've read that the 9MM is the second most produced round in the world (beaten only by the .22LR). This make it RELATIVELY cheap. That alone would make it a good choice, because you can use the savings to shoot more or get training.
And for people that think reloading will take away the resupply problem, Think again. The components are also a finite supply. IE, the .500 S&W magnum takes several TIMES the powder to reload than a .45 ACP or a 9MM.
The calibers that he should be looking at, IMO, are:
9MM, .45 ACP, .40 S&W and in revolvers (If he demands something that only holds 5 or 6 rounds) .357 magnum (.357's can also fire the .38 special).
Why? They are common. Common means less expensive. Less expensive means you can shoot more. An example, the cheapest .50 AE I found at Midway is like $1.25 a round.
9MM about 24 cents a round. 45 ACP is less than 30 cents a round. When you shoot several HUNDRED to several THOUSAND rounds a year. That adds up.
As for handguns themselves, look for what people teaching the classes carry. You will find Glocks and Smith & Wesson M&Ps are the most common.
And these are just the handgun suggestions.
Dan Emplit WBFD
Thursday, December 22, 2011
Prometheus (2012) Trailer #1
The preveiw for Ridley Scott’s Prometheus a prequel for the Alien franchise.
Tuesday, December 20, 2011
I'M BACK
Last weekend I was in Beaver Valley, Pa. taking a class.
F2SConsulting Practical Carbine/Pistol Course held at the Beaver Valley Rifle & Pistol Club and run by Jack Leuba.
That's Jack^
Here's his 'bio': Involved in combat marksmanship and combat marksmanship training programs since 1999. Heavily involved in the creation and implementation of the USMC's Combat Marksmanship Program, as well as the Foreign Weapon Instructor Course. Worked for the UK MoD training specialized units in effective marksmanship techniques and close quarters battle. Deployed to several combat zones including HOA, Haiti, Iraq, and Afghanistan. One of the USMC's representatives for the SCAR program.
He is also a Bronze Star Recipient. By the way, If you have any interest in practical gun issues you should look at that Blog. It's run by a friend of mine (He has exceptional taste in firearms, dogs and twinks..... don't ask.)
Back on topic. The class ran from Saturday to Sunday, Quitting well after dark on Saturday. It was about 22 degrees Saturday morning and warmed up to about 30, meaning it was COLD, and did I mention SNOWING. Sunday was a 'balmy' 28 to about 36. Conditions that can be best described as miserable. Not the best for an outdoor class. I had only met one other person in the class (Call him DBM) and had traded Emails with another (Jay, a Navy Vet, who also acted as an 'assistant' instructor).
Lots learned. Some things didn't get covered, Mainly because Jack was spending ALOT of time individually helping people.
I will DEFINITELY be taking another class..... when it's NOT 22 degrees or snowing.
That's something I should point out. Despite MISERABLE conditions I still really enjoyed myself. That in itself should show how Jack and Jay made learning in the class fun and challenging.
That's Me^
We had 1 M-1A and an AK fail on the first day.
I found out that about 700 rounds of Wolf (Cheap, low power Russian ammo) is all my Colt will take before it refuses to feed Wolf (It was OK with normal ammo) and needs cleaning.
The biggest problem I had was..... Me. I had gotten dinged up at work and was sore as hell for the weekend. Moving was painfull and the cold didn't help.
I will be looking for more classes and if you are serious about learning firearms, so should you. Jack's courses would be an excellent place to start or even to polish your existing skills.
Dan Emplit WBFD
USN 1986 - 1992
F2SConsulting Practical Carbine/Pistol Course held at the Beaver Valley Rifle & Pistol Club and run by Jack Leuba.
That's Jack^
Here's his 'bio': Involved in combat marksmanship and combat marksmanship training programs since 1999. Heavily involved in the creation and implementation of the USMC's Combat Marksmanship Program, as well as the Foreign Weapon Instructor Course. Worked for the UK MoD training specialized units in effective marksmanship techniques and close quarters battle. Deployed to several combat zones including HOA, Haiti, Iraq, and Afghanistan. One of the USMC's representatives for the SCAR program.
He is also a Bronze Star Recipient. By the way, If you have any interest in practical gun issues you should look at that Blog. It's run by a friend of mine (He has exceptional taste in firearms, dogs and twinks..... don't ask.)
Back on topic. The class ran from Saturday to Sunday, Quitting well after dark on Saturday. It was about 22 degrees Saturday morning and warmed up to about 30, meaning it was COLD, and did I mention SNOWING. Sunday was a 'balmy' 28 to about 36. Conditions that can be best described as miserable. Not the best for an outdoor class. I had only met one other person in the class (Call him DBM) and had traded Emails with another (Jay, a Navy Vet, who also acted as an 'assistant' instructor).
Lots learned. Some things didn't get covered, Mainly because Jack was spending ALOT of time individually helping people.
I will DEFINITELY be taking another class..... when it's NOT 22 degrees or snowing.
That's something I should point out. Despite MISERABLE conditions I still really enjoyed myself. That in itself should show how Jack and Jay made learning in the class fun and challenging.
That's Me^
We had 1 M-1A and an AK fail on the first day.
I found out that about 700 rounds of Wolf (Cheap, low power Russian ammo) is all my Colt will take before it refuses to feed Wolf (It was OK with normal ammo) and needs cleaning.
The biggest problem I had was..... Me. I had gotten dinged up at work and was sore as hell for the weekend. Moving was painfull and the cold didn't help.
I will be looking for more classes and if you are serious about learning firearms, so should you. Jack's courses would be an excellent place to start or even to polish your existing skills.
Dan Emplit WBFD
USN 1986 - 1992
Monday, December 19, 2011
Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Wait aren't you contradicting youselves?
Our government wants to have wide-spread anti terrorist powers. Hey, that sounds good to me! Doesn't it sound good to you? But then look at the Gov's definition of terrorist and suddenly, IT'S SCARY! (Here comes another list)
1. If you have less than 10 fingers. You might be a terrorist.
My friend Bill had an industrial accident, and now has 9 fingers. Will he disappear one night, without warning or real reason?
2. If you have 'waterproof' ammunition. You might be a terrorist.
Newsflash, ALL factory made ammunition fits their definition of 'waterproof'. So will hunters suddenly wake up in Guantanamo Bay? With NO ONE knowing that you are there, arrested and detained WITHOUT trial, WITHOUT a lawyer!
3. If you have more than 7 days worth of food. You might be a terrorist.
Even though the CDC Recommends "2 week supply for home". Do these people even read what they recommend?
4. Any reason the President thinks is a danger to the country. You might be a terrorist.
This is REAL. Watch the video. Nowhere does he mention that US citizens are not included.
Even if you are an American Citizen. Get ready for 'Prolonged Detention'. Even MSNBC has problems with Obama trying this.
Who's stepping on the Constitution in this picture?Dan Emplit WBFD
Why We NEED 3 Engines and AT LEAST 14 Men
Last night there was a Commercial Structure Fire Alarm at Whiskey Business on Wood Street with smoke inside the building (There was NO fire). It is a popular bar.
The Alarm sounded at 21:06 (9:06 PM).
Less than 90 seconds later all units were enroute.
Less than 2 minutes after that Engine 1 was onscene, and a few seconds later truck 6 was there.
It took Engine 2 until 21:14 to GET to the hydrant.
Here's a few things to think about,
An Engines water suppy lasts less than 4 minutes with ONLY one line being used.
Fire doubles in size every minute.
There was VERY LITTLE traffic last night.
How many casualties can we handle at our diminished manning?
Could we fight the fire AND handle the casualties?
Could we even stop the fire from jumping to the next building?
With 2 Engines, we WILL NOT have enough time to make THE differance.
With 12 men, we CAN NOT handle the type of emergencies that WILL happen.
Leighton knows this. He has a copy of TWO studies that tell him, "Wilkes-Barre NEEDS 17 men, MINIMUM". One of those studies, the city paid for WITH OUR MONEY.
We pay for cheap, crappy garbage bags. We pay 'The Right to Work' tax. EMS tax. Sewer Tax (like anyone does anything to the sewers). Recycling Tax.
We are paying for the best. And what do we get?
Cuts to public safety.
A raceway next to a playground (Coal street).
A $12 million parking garage that cost $30 Million.
Nepotism
Public SERVANTS that get 'free' ($12000) security systems (and we have even payed some of the monthly fees on)
And more.....
They need to remember, They are public servants.
We are experiancing POOR customer service.
And remember (thanks to our dictator) When Seconds count, The Engines are only Minutes away.
Dan Emplit WBFD
AKA Don Quixote
The Alarm sounded at 21:06 (9:06 PM).
Less than 90 seconds later all units were enroute.
Less than 2 minutes after that Engine 1 was onscene, and a few seconds later truck 6 was there.
It took Engine 2 until 21:14 to GET to the hydrant.
Here's a few things to think about,
An Engines water suppy lasts less than 4 minutes with ONLY one line being used.
Fire doubles in size every minute.
There was VERY LITTLE traffic last night.
How many casualties can we handle at our diminished manning?
Could we fight the fire AND handle the casualties?
Could we even stop the fire from jumping to the next building?
With 2 Engines, we WILL NOT have enough time to make THE differance.
With 12 men, we CAN NOT handle the type of emergencies that WILL happen.
Leighton knows this. He has a copy of TWO studies that tell him, "Wilkes-Barre NEEDS 17 men, MINIMUM". One of those studies, the city paid for WITH OUR MONEY.
We pay for cheap, crappy garbage bags. We pay 'The Right to Work' tax. EMS tax. Sewer Tax (like anyone does anything to the sewers). Recycling Tax.
We are paying for the best. And what do we get?
Cuts to public safety.
A raceway next to a playground (Coal street).
A $12 million parking garage that cost $30 Million.
Nepotism
Public SERVANTS that get 'free' ($12000) security systems (and we have even payed some of the monthly fees on)
And more.....
They need to remember, They are public servants.
We are experiancing POOR customer service.
And remember (thanks to our dictator) When Seconds count, The Engines are only Minutes away.
Dan Emplit WBFD
AKA Don Quixote
Thursday, December 8, 2011
An era is ending
Vets group disbanding
It is sad that we are losing an organization for our few remaining Pearl Vets.
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During the ceremony, a group of survivors of the Dec. 7, 1941, attack announced that they would disband at the end of the month. William Muehleib, president of the Pearl Harbors Association, cited age and poor health of the remaining members.
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As age takes these examples of 'The Greatest Generation', I would like to point out one of the classiest things that this country does for the survivors of the USS Utah and the USS Arizona. As they pass away they have the option of having their cremated remains placed with their fallen brothers. Not just at Arlington National Cemetery, but IN their vessels in Pearl Harbor.
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Also this week, five ash scattering and interment ceremonies are being held for five survivors whose cremated remains are returning to Pearl Harbor after their deaths.
On Tuesday, an urn containing the ashes of Lee Soucy was placed on his battleship, the USS Utah, which is lying on its side near the place where it sank. The ashes of Vernon Olsen, who was on the Arizona during the attack, will be placed on his ship late Wednesday.
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An example of why these men are heroes is Lee Soucy, who lived to be 90, was a pharmacist mate on The USS Utah. He had just finished breakfast that morning when the Japanese planes started dropping bombs. He rushed to his battle station after the Utah was hit, but he soon heard the call to abandon ship as the vessel began sinking. He swam to shore, where he made a makeshift first aid center to help the wounded and dying. He worked straight through for TWO DAYS.
Dan Emplit WBFD
USN 1986 - 1992
It is sad that we are losing an organization for our few remaining Pearl Vets.
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During the ceremony, a group of survivors of the Dec. 7, 1941, attack announced that they would disband at the end of the month. William Muehleib, president of the Pearl Harbors Association, cited age and poor health of the remaining members.
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As age takes these examples of 'The Greatest Generation', I would like to point out one of the classiest things that this country does for the survivors of the USS Utah and the USS Arizona. As they pass away they have the option of having their cremated remains placed with their fallen brothers. Not just at Arlington National Cemetery, but IN their vessels in Pearl Harbor.
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Also this week, five ash scattering and interment ceremonies are being held for five survivors whose cremated remains are returning to Pearl Harbor after their deaths.
On Tuesday, an urn containing the ashes of Lee Soucy was placed on his battleship, the USS Utah, which is lying on its side near the place where it sank. The ashes of Vernon Olsen, who was on the Arizona during the attack, will be placed on his ship late Wednesday.
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An example of why these men are heroes is Lee Soucy, who lived to be 90, was a pharmacist mate on The USS Utah. He had just finished breakfast that morning when the Japanese planes started dropping bombs. He rushed to his battle station after the Utah was hit, but he soon heard the call to abandon ship as the vessel began sinking. He swam to shore, where he made a makeshift first aid center to help the wounded and dying. He worked straight through for TWO DAYS.
Dan Emplit WBFD
USN 1986 - 1992
Thursday, December 1, 2011
How safe are we?
On May 5, in Tucson, Arizona, a travesty happened.
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Jose Guerena Ortiz was sleeping after an exhausting 12-hour night shift at a copper mine. His wife, Vanessa, had begun breakfast. Their 4-year-old son, Joel, asked to watch cartoons.
An ordinary morning was unfolding in the middle-class Tucson neighborhood -- until an armored vehicle pulled into the family's driveway and men wearing heavy body armor and helmets climbed out, weapons ready.
They were a sheriff's department SWAT team who had come to execute a search warrant. But Vanessa Guerena insisted she had no idea, when she heard a "boom" and saw a dark-suited man pass by a window, that it was police outside her home. She shook her husband awake and told him someone was firing a gun outside.
A U.S. Marine veteran of the Iraq war, he was only trying to defend his family, she said, when he grabbed his own gun -- an AR-15 assault rifle.
What happened next was captured on video after a member of the SWAT team activated a helmet-mounted camera.
The officers -- four of whom carried .40-caliber handguns while another had an AR-15 -- moved to the door, briefly sounding a siren, then shouting "Police!" in English and Spanish. With a thrust of a battering ram, they broke the door open. Eight seconds passed before they opened fire into the house.
And 10 seconds later, Guerena lay dying in a hallway 20 feet from the front door. The SWAT team fired 71 rounds, riddling his body 22 times, while his wife and child cowered in a closet.
"Hurry up, he's bleeding," Vanessa Guerena pleaded with a 911 operator. "I don't know why they shoot him. They open the door and shoot him. Please get me an ambulance."
When she emerged from the home minutes later, officers hustled her to a police van, even as she cried that her husband was unresponsive and bleeding, and that her young son was still inside. She begged them to get Joel out of the house before he saw his father in a puddle of blood on the floor.
But soon afterward, the boy appeared in the front doorway in Spider-Man pajamas, crying.
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The Pima County Sheriff's Department said its SWAT team was at the home because Guerena was suspected of being involved in a drug-trafficking organization and that the shooting happened because he arrived at the door brandishing a gun. The county prosecutor's office says the shooting was justified.
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Despite the Tucson police claims that they announced themselves, I can't hear it on the video. Which was taken outside, with NO walls or doors to muffle the announcement.
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The 27-year-old Guerena had completed two tours in Iraq, and a former superior there was among those who couldn't make sense of his death. Leo Verdugo said Guerena stood out among other Marines for his maturity and sense of responsibility. Verdugo, who retired as a master sergeant last year after 25 years in the Marines, placed Guerena in charge of an important helicopter refueling mission in the remote west desert of Iraq. "He had a lot of integrity and he was a man of his word," Verdugo said.
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Here is some of the things that people who knew Jose Ortiz had to say about him:
"I don't care what the cops say. I don't believe for one moment Jose was involved in anything illegal, They were judge, jury and executioner, and there was no excuse."
"Personally, I think he was murdered, and that is the feeling that is out here."
"No one in their right mind" would choose this work, which paid about $41,000 a year, if they were bringing in drug smuggling money.
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"high-powered rifles and bulletproof vests that were found in Guerena's home after the shooting back up investigators' belief that Guerena was involved in drug trafficking. A shotgun found in the home was reported stolen in Tucson in 2008."
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Well the last time I checked "high-powered rifles (How 'bout a better description) and bulletproof vests" are NOT illegal. An a shotgun that was reported stolen... Hmm I don't know if Arizona requires a firearms transfer for a smooth bore long gun. If it doesn't then this is a smear and misdirect to cover the police.
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In the affidavit, sheriff's Detective Alex Tisch laid out the case against Guerena's family. It details two instances of drug seizures, one in April 2009 in which Jose Guerena was found in a home with other people who had just dropped off 1,000 pounds of marijuana at a separate residence, and another in October 2009 in which a man who had met with Guerena's brother was found with drugs and weapons. Neither Guerena nor his brother was charged.
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OK so let me get this straight. If you go to SOMEONE elses house and someone "drops off marijuana at a SEPARATE RESIDENCE", Then YOU are guilty.
And if someone with drugs meets with YOUR BROTHER then you are guilty.
But no arrests were made... Even though they are using these instances in a character assassination.
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"What reasonable person comes to the front door and points a rifle at people?"
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He DIDN'T 'come to the front door', THEY BROKE IT DOWN!!!! AND IT WAS THE WRONG DOOR!!!!
And finally,
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An independent expert, Chuck Drago, a former longtime SWAT officer for Fort Lauderdale, Fla., police who now does consulting on use of force and other law enforcement issues, said that the shooting itself appeared justified.
"It's a horrible, horrible tragedy, but if they walked in the door and somebody came at them with an assault rifle, that would be a justifiable response," said Drago. "It doesn't matter whether he's innocent or not."
But after examining elements of the search affidavit, Drago questioned whether the sheriff's office truly had probable cause.
"When you back up and look at why they're there in the first place and whether the search warrant was proper, my mind starts struggling," Drago said. "There are a lot of things that don't make a lot of sense."
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Here's what I think happened.
Point man makes entry.
Sees Ortiz with AR15
Point man panics and opens fire (This man should be prosecuted for MURDER, his job is to protect citizens, not assassinate them). You can actually see him trying to back out in a panic.
The rest of the SWAT team (trusting the point mans judgement, as they are trained to) also open fire
Now the lies and covering of asses begin.
Dan Emplit WBFD
USN 1986 - 1992
And wondering what is going on in this country
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Jose Guerena Ortiz was sleeping after an exhausting 12-hour night shift at a copper mine. His wife, Vanessa, had begun breakfast. Their 4-year-old son, Joel, asked to watch cartoons.
An ordinary morning was unfolding in the middle-class Tucson neighborhood -- until an armored vehicle pulled into the family's driveway and men wearing heavy body armor and helmets climbed out, weapons ready.
They were a sheriff's department SWAT team who had come to execute a search warrant. But Vanessa Guerena insisted she had no idea, when she heard a "boom" and saw a dark-suited man pass by a window, that it was police outside her home. She shook her husband awake and told him someone was firing a gun outside.
A U.S. Marine veteran of the Iraq war, he was only trying to defend his family, she said, when he grabbed his own gun -- an AR-15 assault rifle.
What happened next was captured on video after a member of the SWAT team activated a helmet-mounted camera.
The officers -- four of whom carried .40-caliber handguns while another had an AR-15 -- moved to the door, briefly sounding a siren, then shouting "Police!" in English and Spanish. With a thrust of a battering ram, they broke the door open. Eight seconds passed before they opened fire into the house.
And 10 seconds later, Guerena lay dying in a hallway 20 feet from the front door. The SWAT team fired 71 rounds, riddling his body 22 times, while his wife and child cowered in a closet.
"Hurry up, he's bleeding," Vanessa Guerena pleaded with a 911 operator. "I don't know why they shoot him. They open the door and shoot him. Please get me an ambulance."
When she emerged from the home minutes later, officers hustled her to a police van, even as she cried that her husband was unresponsive and bleeding, and that her young son was still inside. She begged them to get Joel out of the house before he saw his father in a puddle of blood on the floor.
But soon afterward, the boy appeared in the front doorway in Spider-Man pajamas, crying.
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The Pima County Sheriff's Department said its SWAT team was at the home because Guerena was suspected of being involved in a drug-trafficking organization and that the shooting happened because he arrived at the door brandishing a gun. The county prosecutor's office says the shooting was justified.
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Despite the Tucson police claims that they announced themselves, I can't hear it on the video. Which was taken outside, with NO walls or doors to muffle the announcement.
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The 27-year-old Guerena had completed two tours in Iraq, and a former superior there was among those who couldn't make sense of his death. Leo Verdugo said Guerena stood out among other Marines for his maturity and sense of responsibility. Verdugo, who retired as a master sergeant last year after 25 years in the Marines, placed Guerena in charge of an important helicopter refueling mission in the remote west desert of Iraq. "He had a lot of integrity and he was a man of his word," Verdugo said.
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Here is some of the things that people who knew Jose Ortiz had to say about him:
"I don't care what the cops say. I don't believe for one moment Jose was involved in anything illegal, They were judge, jury and executioner, and there was no excuse."
"Personally, I think he was murdered, and that is the feeling that is out here."
"No one in their right mind" would choose this work, which paid about $41,000 a year, if they were bringing in drug smuggling money.
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"high-powered rifles and bulletproof vests that were found in Guerena's home after the shooting back up investigators' belief that Guerena was involved in drug trafficking. A shotgun found in the home was reported stolen in Tucson in 2008."
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Well the last time I checked "high-powered rifles (How 'bout a better description) and bulletproof vests" are NOT illegal. An a shotgun that was reported stolen... Hmm I don't know if Arizona requires a firearms transfer for a smooth bore long gun. If it doesn't then this is a smear and misdirect to cover the police.
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In the affidavit, sheriff's Detective Alex Tisch laid out the case against Guerena's family. It details two instances of drug seizures, one in April 2009 in which Jose Guerena was found in a home with other people who had just dropped off 1,000 pounds of marijuana at a separate residence, and another in October 2009 in which a man who had met with Guerena's brother was found with drugs and weapons. Neither Guerena nor his brother was charged.
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OK so let me get this straight. If you go to SOMEONE elses house and someone "drops off marijuana at a SEPARATE RESIDENCE", Then YOU are guilty.
And if someone with drugs meets with YOUR BROTHER then you are guilty.
But no arrests were made... Even though they are using these instances in a character assassination.
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"What reasonable person comes to the front door and points a rifle at people?"
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He DIDN'T 'come to the front door', THEY BROKE IT DOWN!!!! AND IT WAS THE WRONG DOOR!!!!
And finally,
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An independent expert, Chuck Drago, a former longtime SWAT officer for Fort Lauderdale, Fla., police who now does consulting on use of force and other law enforcement issues, said that the shooting itself appeared justified.
"It's a horrible, horrible tragedy, but if they walked in the door and somebody came at them with an assault rifle, that would be a justifiable response," said Drago. "It doesn't matter whether he's innocent or not."
But after examining elements of the search affidavit, Drago questioned whether the sheriff's office truly had probable cause.
"When you back up and look at why they're there in the first place and whether the search warrant was proper, my mind starts struggling," Drago said. "There are a lot of things that don't make a lot of sense."
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Here's what I think happened.
Point man makes entry.
Sees Ortiz with AR15
Point man panics and opens fire (This man should be prosecuted for MURDER, his job is to protect citizens, not assassinate them). You can actually see him trying to back out in a panic.
The rest of the SWAT team (trusting the point mans judgement, as they are trained to) also open fire
Now the lies and covering of asses begin.
Dan Emplit WBFD
USN 1986 - 1992
And wondering what is going on in this country
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